Maybe you can explain Mace's screams when Palpatine shooting lightning to kill him and Mace was actually struggling with his lightning, since you ignore the fact that lightning was actually too powerful for Anakin. Anakin had not reached his full potential by 19 B.B.Y. Reading the Star Wars wiki got me to thinking: which of these two top level swordsmen would win in a duel to the death? 1 Inhalt 2 Beschreibung 3 Video 4 Quelle 5 Einzelnachweise Yoda kämpft gegen seinen früheren Lehrling Count Dooku und beweist, dass er trotz seiner Größe ein mächtiger Jedi ist. That's a myth. In a straight out duel, its Skywalker pretty easily. Suffering had birthed insight. Raw power-wise Vader didn't do anything Kenobi couldn't. I think i may have overestimated vader and luke, if we go only by feats, and even if to me it's easy to assume luke should have more raw power even when considering only the movies, i guess that by feats you guys are totally right, Dooku and obi-wan are above him. Yoda isn't going to one-shot Dooku level opponents either way, I don't know why this means anything. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Yoda vs. Count Dooku ist die dreizehnte Episode der Animationsserie Galaxy of Adventures auf Star Wars Kids. He needed the holoprojector to see his victim. That would be a lot better than this matchup. People laughed at how easily Sideous would take it and Luke can beat Sideous. Press J to jump to the feed. I'm actually thinking about this fight, and yes, in the first trilogy i have to admin there are no real great showings of raw power, yoda aside. Galaxy of Adventures He clearly has an edge somewhere, and it's not his deuling. I think I read somewhere that at his maximum potential Luke would end up with double or triple the power level of Yoda. Pretty fucking badass, man. @frozen: Well that depends on how you view his encounter with Sidious. Though appearing to be a well-intentioned senator and supporter of democracy before becoming emperor, Palpatine is actually Darth Sidious, the dark lord of the Sith—a cult of practitioners of the dark side of the Force—and master of Darth Maul and Count Dooku. Qui-Gon Jinn (/ ˈ k w aɪ ɡ ɒ n /) is a fictional character in the Star Wars franchise, played by Liam Neeson.He is a main character in the prequel film trilogy, serving as one of the protagonists of Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace (1999), while being posthumously mentioned in both of its sequels: Attack of the Clones (2002) and Revenge of the Sith (2005). I've heard a saying along these lines: the one the greatest martial arts fears is not the one with the best style, but the one with none at all. I can't really remember TPM besides Obi-Wan losing to Darth Maul and using the plot to beat Maul as Maul celebrated in 'victory'. If the new unified canon is anything to go by----Vader himself said his connection in the Force grew after the events of Mustafar. Vader had no intention of killing Luke even though he was fully capable of doing so physically. Not a chance. He almost immediately feels regret, but Palpatine works to dismiss it. Force lightning was a purely offensive, energy-based attack that channeled Force energy down the user's limbs, hurling arcing bolts of electricity from the wielder's fingertips or palms; Force lightning could be executed with either one or two hands. All in all I'd go with Mace though. @erkan12: Anakin covered his eyes because the lightning was bright, not because it staggered him. You've ecentially castrated Luke with the movie rules. I think it was made quite obvious in Return of The Jedi that Darth Vader wasnt quite Darth Vader, he was still shaken up by Luke after suppressing memories of his former self for so many years and had even more time after The Empire Strikes Back to process these emotions. @frozen: With a lightsaber, idr him ever saying he's weaker with the Force. Obi-Wan Was The First Jedi To Defeat A Sith Lord In 1,000 Years. Character overview. Round Three: Luke vs General Grevious Round Four: Luke vs Darth Maul Round Five: Luke vs Anakin Skywalker Round Six: Luke vs Count Dooku Round Seven: Luke vs Obi-Wan Kenobi Round Eight: Luke vs Mace Windu Round Nine: Luke vs Palpatine Round Ten: Luke vs Palpatine. Re: Canon Luke Skywalker (RotJ) vs Canon Count Dooku (RotS) on April 9th 2020, 4:09 pm Dooku probably wins based on Filoni's notion of Luke being inferior to every council member which in turn clear makes him inferior to Dooku. This lightsaber duel determined Anakin’s fate, so it’s … But Luke at this stage simply wasnt a match for a top tier sith lord such as Dooku. Luke in a landslide. Its not a fair fight, Now if this was Luke with atleast a decade and some change under his belt i might change my answer and if this was grand master Luke i,d pick him no question. The reasons for this are simple. In terms of pure technical skill Dooku is above Luke, he has received more training then Luke and in general his technique is near flawless. and he forfeit that potential due to Mustafar’s lava. He did say Vader was a fraction of what Anakin COULD have been, but he never stated Anakin was superior Vader. Superhero battle match: Team Anakin Skywalker versus Team Count Dooku. Skywalker does, beheading Dooku as he gives in to his base emotions. We already saw Dooku vs Savage in 1 vs 1 and it looked like this. I believe it was implied even in the movie that Palpatine orchestrated the ruse so that Anakin would fall to the dark side, thus making Mace's showing against him a lot less impressive. It contradicts with the idea of losing purposely, don't you think ? On the otherside, Luke has the strength and raw skill to make it a hell of a fight, considering he employs Djem So and matched Vader in strength. Anyway Luke would win this, he uses Djem so like Anakin and it's a counter to Dooku's Mekashi, if Luke can use the dark side of the force to overwhelm Vader who is a Djem so master that mastered all 7 forms of combat for his own custom djem so as early as months after Mustafar with cybernatic enhancements and monstrous force power even in the suit(second strongest dark sider in the Empire and even early on he's stronger than the likes of Kar Vastor and … And this is ROTJ Lukes best feat, defeating an extremely powerful sith lord who happened to be his father and whom i might add was in a serious conflict with his self and at the same time holding back tremendously. I see no way team one doesn’t stomp. Luke was able to defeat a Darth Vader that was severely holding back. In the fictional universe of the Star Wars franchise, Palpatine is a master manipulator and "phantom menace". Re: Darth Maul, Count Dooku, Darth Vader, Savage Opress and Galen Marek vs DE Darth Sidious on November 24th 2019, 11:18 am Azronger wrote: Galen's suicide blast was by far the most potent manifestation of power on the team and the Emperor's far weaker TFU incarnation endured it … Even less? I reject your rule of movie versions only, am adding tcw cartoon feats and dooku wins. Vader beat Luke in Ep 5. I believe Sidious feigned helplessness and being disarmed by Mace, that's it. Dooku never held his own against Yoda. You are indeed where you belong. Powerful discharges would branch out into dozens of smaller forks; thus, skilled practitioners could target several foes at once.The intensity varied based on a number of factors. I don't understand why this is even in question. Dooku is the better Force user, more raw power and mastery. Count Dooku vs Luke Skywalker # Count Dooku Dooku is arguably the best swordsman in the entire starwars universe. Mostly I agree...except that Dooku is considered a master duelist. And Luke overpowered that. Team Luke Skywalker Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader* Yoda^ vs Emporer Palpatine^ Rey* vs Kylo Ren Obi-Wan Kenobi* vs General Grievous Mace Windu* vs Count Dooku Ahsoka Tano and Anakin Skywalker* vs Asajj Ventress Qui-Gon Jinn vs Darth Maul*-Anakin Skywalker, Ahsoka Tano, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Rey, and Mace Windu* vs. Darth Vader and Darth Maul Not sure. The first feat is a Legends one so it doesn't count, and Vader never brought down an AT-AT. Movie Vader (excluding TK) would lose to padawan Obi-Wan. The very first lightsaber duel … Luke's best tk feat is lifting threepio, so no it's fairly obvious Dooku has better tk feats and is more likely to use it in combat. As always could go either way though I'd side with Dooku. Both are at their absolute peak. Vaders only (movie) feats are as follow: None of this leads to me believing he'd beat ep1 Obi. Dooku's ROTS feats may apply (although there weren't many), Takes place where Luke and Vader fought in ROTJ, Dooku knows that Luke is the son of Anakin. @juiceboks: I believe Lucas said that Mace could compete with Palpatine , so Palpatine probably was being legit challenged by Mace in their duel. @juiceboks: How would Vader's chances fare against Mace Windu? Then he went dark and got boosted from Kenobi's betrayal, then he got a serious boost from Padme's death. I haven't read the material, so it is unwise for me to make any judgement; but I trust your extraction of the source. Some of Luke Skywalker's own feats of telepathy include: Communicating with literally everyone in the Jedi Order across the galaxy, and summoning them. Actually Lucas stated that the suited version of Vader was less capable and powerful than the pre-suited version. show 1 reply . Dramatic skill advantage vs dramatic stat advantage. Jeeze it's called grand master for a reason! @pierpat: Dooku collapsed a decent amount of rocks from the ceiling onto Yoda, and threw a fairly large canister at Yoda. Luke should take it. Thank you. “It’s only natural…You wanted revenge. That's not really a power showing so much as it is range, and it's not like Vader can just choke people through the Force across the galaxy willy nilly. And if this is indeed true, then does that not make Luke beating Vader in ROTJ more impressive? Even if you're right that Luke was supposed to superior to Vader in the Force(which was AT BEST implied and not shown in their duel whatsoever) Vader didn't do anything to put him above Kenobi let alone Dooku. Well padawan Obi-Wan (ha wan wan) has better feats. When did he say this? Count Dooku vs Luke Skywalker # Dooku wants no parts of that. According to the Ep 5 commentary, Luke is Lucas's answer to what Anakin would have been had he reached his full potential instead of getting crippled. Luke Skywalker is a fictional character and the main protagonist of the original film trilogy of the Star Wars franchise created by George Lucas.Portrayed by Mark Hamill, Luke first appeared in Star Wars (1977), and he returned in The Empire Strikes Back (1980) and Return of the Jedi (1983). Though he was only an apprentice, I'd have to go with The Apprentice. Unless Luke actually gets mad, I'm not seeing how he'll win. I unno about that. Sometimes I wonder are we watching different films from everyone else? The strongest? If Luke wasn't so damn strong it would end quickly in Dooku's favor, but it's a coin flip imo. Since Anakin is stronger in the OT, and Luke could fight him almost evenly, that means Luke > Anakin. There was never a written rule that you have to be considerably more powerful in the Force to ragdoll someone, but that doesn't mean it isnt common sense. Luke still gets his arse handed to him. You guys should know better than to bring up Mace vs Sidious in irrelevant threads. Mace could fail against that powerful force lightning attack just as easily. He could also outduel him..considering movie Vader has done absolutely nothing to put him on the level of Dooku. @serpinethegreen: What did episode 1 Obi-Wan accomplish again? Funny, you need to try that. She was the younger daughter of Ruwee and Jobal Naberrie and the sister of Sola Naberrie. I don't think accomplish is the right word, but the film version is a lot faster, agile, and aggressive than Vader in combat TBH you should probably put TPM Obi-Wan and ROTJ Luke (movie versions) in a match. This does hold true..it was Anakin's mistake to try and mirror Dooku's moves. Are we just not considering that vader is an older, stronger(in the force at least) anakin? So Luke > Anakin > Dooku > Maul. Unless you can point me to a specific quote from the movies that states this..no. A human female of the Naberrie family, the woman best remembered as Amidala was born Padmé Naberrie on the bountiful planet of Naboo in 46 BBY. I once saw a fight suggested on some forums if Dooky Maul and Ventress vs Sideous. Qui-Gon Jinn & Obi-Wan Kenobi Vs. Darth Maul. Luke wont make that mistake, he's just gonna do a backflip then flail around like the overpowered madman he is. Yeah when Yoda was also holding back against his former apprentice, and Dooku still outclassed against him. Dooku. So Vader could defeat him that way I suppose. I mean Dooku stomps. They never really fought in a context that would make it clear who's stronger. Anakin beat Dooku in sheer skill, but his power at the time was roughly in the same tier. You could claim that Dooku's Makashi unknown to Luke but then again Luke has mirrored Vader's Djem So directly so I doubt it would cause a radically different outcome. Lucas has never stated anywhere that Anakin was > Darth Vader. At the point when he's Grand Master of the Jedi Order, he's arguably the most powerful Force user ever. Re: Luke Skywalker (Dark Empire) vs Count Dooku (ROTS) on April 21st 2020, 5:17 am Chill dude, a lot of people here have Dooku very high and Luke … Luke was clearly powerful in the force, but he's never been held up in the films as anything of the sort of a great warrior. Dooku everytime, never see why people keep bringing up the Dooku fight vs. Yoda. Dooku ragdolls Luke just like he did Kenobi if he so chooses. Luke and Dooku in there respectable versions would be interesting and could go either way, Dooku in my opinion is a better all round duelist but Luke in this point MIGHT have the edge in force powers especially if Luke is using the Darkside. From Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Darth Vader to Luke vs. Emperor Palpatine, and Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan against Darth Maul to Yoda vs. Count Dooku, these battles have helped shape Star Wars. Then Sidious wouldn't try to hit Mace with force lightning, what was strong enough to stagger even Anakin. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. When Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul at … Luke has the physical strength to overpower Dooku, more importantly he doesn't have any mobility and agility weakness like Vader has. Movie Vader (excluding TK) would lose to padawan Obi-Wan. Luke is at the level of Grand Master, while Dooku is as powerful as he is in Revenge of the Sith. Except that Mace did more than just hold his own against Sidious if we take the showing at face value. ... And Luke Skywalker at his best is > Darth Sidious. Probably Luke for a slight majority, gained an upper hand against Vader, while Vader was ready to kill him, and lastly comfortably defeated Vader in the end. A droid meant to emulate TPM Maul was created by the Jedi, and Anakin no-diffed it at age 12. Luke is at the level of Grand Master, while Dooku is as powerful as he is in Revenge of the Sith. I don't recall any power showings from Mace in the movies..at all. I never said Mace in the state he was in couldn't compete with Sidious, nor does Lucas' statement invalidate the notion that Palpatine faked his loss so Anakin would embrace the dark side. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. If Vader was indeed stronger with the force after Mustafar, I would assume he could replicate some of the force feats he had in TCW, which is canon to the movies. Remembering his former self and Padme had weakened him considerably, the hate and drive that drove him all those years as the feared Sith lord Darth Vader simply wasnt there anymore. Tyrannus 1 y 6 mo 17 d . Her father, Ruwee Naberrie, was a friend of Senator Onaconda Farr, who represented the solar system of Rodia in the Senate of the Galactic Republic. Movie versions? Does anyone have a listing of Anakin's force-feats in TCW? He stared at his reflection a long time. A boy couldn't and wouldn't match his skill with a lightsaber. Comment deleted. Obi-Wan Kenobi Vs. Darth Vader - Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope. Aside from that you have him beating Jango without much trouble, who at the same time was capable of giving Obi-Wan a good fight so he's clearly more skilled than Kenobi. TK struggles were introduced in the movies, and what is necessary to ragdoll someone with TK like Dooku did to Kenobi is fairly obvious and generally universal across fiction. Count Dooku sees Palpatine's power through the Force as an event horizon. You honestly think a Jedi with five years of training could beat a serious fully capable Darth Vader in a fair fight? Movie only dooku does not have great raw power feats, and in the movies the whole legends/EU "you need to be a stronger force user to radgoll someone" was never cleared IIRC, while the films clearly wanted to portray Luke as superior to vader in the force in episode 6. Just stopped it from moving and messed with the internal mechanisms. Click to expand... Count Dooku went in there completely unprepared for what was actually going to happen, and thought he would have no problem defeating Anakin Skywalker and killing Obiwan Kenobi. And honestly the remote choke by vader impressed me more than anything Kenoby or dooku did power-wise. His injuries had deformed his body, left it in ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Who will win in a fight between Team Anakin Skywalker and Team Count Dooku? Obviously Anakin > Dooku, as we pretty blatantly saw in ROTS. Round Eleven: Grand Master Luke vs Yoda. Fans were eager to see Luke battle against Supreme Leader Snoke in The Last Jedi but those hopes are dashed when both… In ihr kämpfen Yoda, Anakin Skywalker und Obi-Wan Kenobi auf Geonosis gegen Dooku. Dooku is the better Force user, more raw power and mastery. Movie Luke was able to beat Vader pretty badly; and my OP stipulated that he is bloodlusted. You pretty much pitted the strongest Jedi Master in the history of Star Wars against a middle-level Sith lord. With that said Dooku stomps ROTJ Luke with ease. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. However, if we stick to the continuity and the duel was Grand Master Luke Skywalker vs Anakin Skywalker from Revenge of the Sith, I believe Luke would be able to easily defeat his father. A black hole in the force suggesting he is a wound in the force. Luke has better Force abilities but Dooku outclasses him in lightsaber combat. Can he? 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