What is with you and citing non-canon sources? With a snap-hiss, Tholme’s lightsaber sprang to life, and Vos charged. She called his name, again and again, but Vos was now deaf to any plea she might utter. Hurling senate pods is literally child's play for all 3 of them. Ventress felt a brief flash of amusement as she realized that for the first time, she was actually rooting for Skywalker. Vos wasn't raised, Dooku was lowered. His lightsaber flashes. The Jedi Master leapt upward, clinging briefly to the ceiling as the droids realized, too late, that they were now firing at each other. Her left-hand saber sliced his arm but as sparks flew he dove away from her left blade, leaning into a glancing blow from her right. Same thing with tk basically Sidious hurls so many senate pods at such high speeds that yoda can only dodge while all of the stuff thrown at yoda by dooku is casually deflected. He can easily use the force to crush maul's head onto the ground or something and knock him out and then he'll only have to deal with dooku. The only way he could be two tiers above Maul is if you for some reason consider legends Maul a low 7 and think Vaapad amped Mace (Legends) is a 9. Still sending Force lightning with one hand, Dooku reached out with the other. Dooku can't get ragdolled because he is a peer of Mace and Yoda who are both unable to be ragdolled by Sidious and unable to ragdoll Dooku. It’s been a pleasure discussing with you. For an instant, the two, their faces only centimeters apart, stared into each other’s eyes in a mockery of lovers. Each of them were parrying the offense of the other for about 7 seconds each. They are all way above that at their peak. It's the most logical explanation imo. The idea that Dooku is not Mace or Yoda level when it comes to duelling is contradicted by countless sources, as well as the fact that Dooku contended with Yoda on Geonosis. Dooku is telling Mace that his death will not end the war. He needed it! Yes, Sidious can obviously still use his force abilities (force push, force lightning, etc) to even break their defenses. He can't just do that so easily because this is a duo. They duel evenly for a decent stint: "Their fighting becomes even more intense. In an assault on Coruscant, Separatist forces led by Dooku captured Chancellor Palpatine, who was secretly his master. He stood tall, imposing, and as Vos raced toward him, Dooku didn’t flinch. Dooku brought his blade down toward the diminutive Jedi Master and Yoda parried, locking his blade against Dooku's. She adjusted her grip on her lightsaber. The Prequels show how the Jedi exist as peacekeepers who maintain order. “You weren’t there!” She whirled, targeting Kenobi now instead of Vos. All he needed to do now was to get past the old man’s blade. You are a very civil and adequate debater (although, we didn’t really debate, more so just had a discussion. It's not coincidence that Dooku has a multitude of accolades that show parity with both Mace and Yoda when it comes to duelling. If he tries to attack Dooku, who he can't ragdoll, vice versa. Together Ventress and Kenobi cut down the remaining droids. sidious wins again ... the tip of Dooku's lightsaber scored a burning line across his shoulder. Being able to stay alive doesn't put you "close" to Yoda or Maces level. “He’s... manipulating you” came Ventress’s voice, weak but determined. Killed many. “Insolent whelp,” snapped Dooku, parrying Skywalker’s strike. 1 Inhalt 2 Beschreibung 3 Video 4 Quelle 5 Einzelnachweise Yoda kämpft gegen seinen früheren Lehrling Count Dooku und beweist, dass er trotz seiner Größe ein mächtiger Jedi ist. Do you see where i am coming from? It seemed like an eternity before Ventress saw that the dimness of the corridors was growing brighter. Anakin attacks COUNT DOOKU with a new ferociousness. There is still quite a bit of difference between us. He rained blow after blow, his teeth bared in a snarl, forcing Ventress back down the corridor. Literally taunting him by saying "Do something if you can" and Dooku resorted to Force Lightning? That never happened. "No no, i'm saying Sidious can and will annihilate Maul straight way which ever way he wants too, to TOY with Dooku.". He has a lot of ways to aggressively strike at Maul without killing him and without hindering his offensive style of combat. Why would he do that to toy with Dooku? Sidious is basically equalled by Yoda in a force contest and Dooku has been stated in both canon and Legends and shown in the very AOTC film itself to be Yoda's equal in the force. Again, that's my point. He is competent enough to stay alive for a short duration, but not to win. Nonetheless, we don't know whether he used his full power lightning against Mace and he probably isn't going to use lightning against Dooku anyways, unless he gets desperate. That's it. It puts you around 2 sub-tiers down from them, which is the difference between Ventress and Dooku. Even in the novel Labyrinth of Evil, it's stated that Dooku ran away, not because of Yoda but because he had to safeguard the plans for the 'ultimate weapon' or something along those lines. Sidious was still far from going all out even at the end of the fight. Trying to argue different writers is a huge stretch and a terrible argument to make. It was Dooku's training even moreso than Grievous' cybernatic enhancements that enabled the General to fight the Jedi on even footing with his own collection of stolen Lightsabers, while Ventress grew so powerful that Dooku was eventually forced to betray her on orders from a paranoid Sidious. Ventress was flooded by joy so intense that she almost couldn’t breathe. He still had passive ones and he was trying to defend himself but could do nothing to stop Palpatine, Not really since force users always have passive force wall and Dooku was choked for multiple seconds and could do nothign to stop it. Sidious and Vadakin are above their opponents, but they can lose. If anything, Dooku is at worst 80% of Sidious's power and at best 90% of it. In an intense duel, he killed Savage and toyed with Maul, ultimately deciding not to kill his former apprentice. Sidious makes a frustrated expression and proceeds to overpower Maul in a bladelock. Oh but we do, Palpatine spared Windus life when he had him dead and could have easily finished him here, he never tried to use force, you cannot say that he could not break his wall when he never even tried and Palpatine's actor said that Palpatine faked as well, normally that is not evidnece but with all this, it heavily implies that he threw the fight, That logic fails for one reason, Rebels Ashoka was never siad to be Dooku level, Filoni siad that nobady but Vader can mach her, implying that not even Yoda or Obi-Wan can( which is idiotic but it shows you his intent) so using that line of scaling fails and for Obi Wan, Vader never tired to ragoll him or use force, if you are going to say that becuase he did not that menas he can't then that menas Maul could not use force agisnt Pre Vizla lol, by your logic that would be fact, no, not using it does not mean that he could not, he just wanted to beat him with saber but by canon feats and facts he indeed can easily ragdoll them. How do you think he'd be able to escape Yoda or Mace if he was close to them? Anakin was pretty hindered in the mustafar fight, and while Obi Wan was, it likely wasn't to the extent Anakin was. She was on her feet now. The nature of a rage amp itself. She had clashed with Jedi. Still Ventress pressed the attack. I agree Sidious wrecks them but why would Dooku do better against Sidious than he did against Yoda?? Yes but unlike Dooku, Sidious nearly overwhelmed Yoda with his lightning, while Dooku's attacks got deflected without much difficulty. Very, very rarely does this happen even in Comic debates. “She has given you a taste of the dark side... and perhaps other things as well, I gather. Maul was panting on the ground after he was disarmed, while Sidious turned his right saber off and placed it within his robe, right before lifting him with TK. My line of reasoning is: Sure I can, since Jedi Dooku could spar evenly with Yoda, a tired Dooku kept up with him on Geonosis, outfought him on Tatooine, closely matched him on Vjun, and went blow for blow with Mace at Boz Pity. Dooku doesn't win even 1 fight out of 10 against Yoda, Mace, or Sidious. Obi-Wan was "hardpressed" by Grievous in ROTS, And they only dueled for 9-10 seconds at a time. "You are of the opinion the Sidious needs to get serious quickly, because he will be going in to the battle Toying with them both evenly.". He knew he couldn't handle them both, so as soon as he discovered a way to get at Quinlan's mindset, he abused the Force from a distance to incapacitate Ventress: “I had a good teacher,” Vos retorted. Even Maul can, with some effort, bring down 4 hyperdrives each the size of an AT-AT. Even if someone wins 10% of the time, you cannot possibly think that this is "close". I see his lightning as a last resort just like his fight with Mace. 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